Good morning. It is 17 minutes after 11 with Kendall and Casey on 93 WIBC. So it was the

end of March of this year when I was sitting in the studio thinking to myself, Oh, what in

the hell have I gotten myself into when Ethan Hatcher was in the studio reviewing the

worst US presidents in history. Ethan Hatcher joins us now Saturday night on the circle

host. You can listen to him every Saturday night from seven until nine when, uh, when

football doesn't, when I'm not eclipsed by the sports game. I really appreciate you

guys having me on the show. Thanks for the. Oh, okay. So this said, this, you were guest

hosting that, that day and this had come out of Trump saying if you take the five worst

presidents of all time combining them together, Biden is worse than those. I still would

contend vehemently that that is untrue. He's still not worse than the five worst combined

but the list has changed since March. You finagled him up to like three or four. He did not

make my top five, but yeah. So he's in the list now. Okay. All right. So let's, let's

start at, uh, well, first of all, where we'll give us the number and then we're going

to where do you have Biden? He's currently ranked at four, ranked at four. Okay. So give

us your, give us number five. Who is number five and why are Johnson? Okay. Why many of

the reasons why Andrew Johnson was brought to the precipice of being impeached were not

reasons that would fly today. It was a lot of his bickering with Congress, which just comes

down. Well, Trump made a phone call and got impeached. So maybe it would fly today. Although

the biggest mark against him is the fact that he was rather lackluster in the enforcement

of post-civil war reconstruction, which so the seeds that became, uh, germinated into the

Jim Crow South. Okay. That's a mark against. So Jim Crow is pretty bad, right? I mean, that's

a huge mark against. And so based on that, not the impeachment per se, but then the fact

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