You've talked so much to so many couples about infidelity.

What have you noticed has changed in the past 40 years?

The digital.

I mean, you know, you used to just get a little bit of lipstick on a color, a ticket to something.

I have people who are literally following this morning.

She knows where he is, she knows where he's meeting the other person.

As it's happening in real life, this is like a death by a thousand cuts.

This idea that you can literally, that you have the whole archive available to you, every text that was ever sent.

You know, it's one thing to know the person had an affair.

It's another thing to read, word for word, years, you know.

It's much easier to transgress, but it's much more difficult to keep a secret.

Hello, everyone, and welcome to another episode of High Love with Amrata.

I'm very excited about today's guests.

We have the esteemed psychotherapist, New York Times bestselling author, Esther Perrell.

I came into contact with Esther's work with her first book,

Meeting and Captivity, Unlocking Erotic Intelligence.

That book has been translated into almost 30 languages.

And she, she's also well known for her TED Talks.

She also has a second book entitled The State of Affairs.

She also has a podcast where should we begin?

That is recordings of real life couples in therapy sessions that Esther facilitates the conversation fascinating, fascinating lesson.

I know so many people who are addicted.

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