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This is Design Matters

with Debbie Millman from design observer.com.

For 13 years now, Debbie Millman has been talking with designers and other creative types about what they do, how they got to be who they are and what they're

thinking about. On this podcast, it'd be Millman talks with therapist and author

Esther Perrell about marriage, polyamory, and adultery. Many affairs, if they were not discovered and they were left alone, they would die a natural

death.

Here's Debbie Millman.

Ten years ago Esther Perle took a big turn in her career.

She was a psychotherapist known for her clinical work with intercultural and interfaith couples.

She has since turned her attention to relationships and sex.

In 2007, she wrote a book titled, Nating in captivity,

Unlocking Erotic Intelligence.

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