You're listening to Culture Call, a transatlantic conversation from the Financial Times.

I'm Griselda-Mari-Brown in London.

And I'm Lila Raptopoulos in New York.

Coming up on today's episode.

When I think of people, what they bring to work, they bring their conscious self and their unconscious self to work.

They bring the situation that they're in,

but they also bring the history that they have with those situations.

Today's guest is the relationship psychotherapist, author and podcaster, Esther Perel.

Yes, Esther is probably the most famous working therapist today, which seems like a contradiction,

famous and therapist. She's from Belgium. She speaks nine languages.

She lives, I know. She lives and has a therapy practice in New York, but she also consults

for Fortune 500 companies. Esther really broke through into mainstream culture through a TED talk

that she gave in 2014 about the secret to desire in long-term relationships. So that TED Talk and one she gave

on infidelity have gotten more than 29 million views. She's written two best-selling books on

these topics. And a few years ago, she launched a very successful podcast series called Where

Should We Begin? Yeah, when I first heard where should we begin maybe two years ago, it felt

really groundbreaking. I don't think I'd quite heard anything like that before.

Right, because when else do you get invited in to an unscripted therapy session from a couple that isn't you, your partner?

Now she is coming out with a new podcast on the selves that we bring to the workplace, and it's called How's Work.

And so I invited her into the New York studio to talk about workplace, and it's called How's Work. And so I invited

her into the New York studio to talk about it, and we had this long conversation that was pretty

mind-blowing for me, and it was really about how things in society have changed to create very

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