What you are about to hear is a conversation recorded live from the Vox Media podcast stage at South by Southwest, brought to you by SmartSheet. Welcome.

So here is the story that I need to tell you.

This session was supposed to be a session between me and Dr. Peter Attia.

And we titled the session,

Why Would You Want to Live Longer if You're So Unhappy?

It's this question that I asked him a few years ago

when he was writing his book, Outlive,

and it prompted him to rethink some of his definition of longevity

and to add a chapter on the importance of emotional health

in his thinking about overall health. And then Dr. Atia had a family emergency, his father is very ill

and he had to counsel right after his presentation here actually. So I had to rethink what will I do and

with whom would I like to be in conversation. And I also thought, you know, here's this conversation

on longevity that we typically think of within the world that we're living in. But then I went

to listen to Amy Webb and she was, you were, I'm going to talk to you,

you were presenting a whole other world in which one I had to project myself in, and I had a range

of emotions as I was listening to this presentation.

Highs and lows and attractions and disgust and pulls and pushes.

It was like a whole range of experiences of the world in which I hope to live in longer.

So it was all coming together.

And then I met Frederick Ferd, who is explicitly a non-futurist.

And I thought, that would be an amazing conversation between a futurist and a non-futurist,

between someone who makes predictions and someone who helps us imagine.

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