Welcome to the Sports Media Podcast. I'm your host, Richard Deich. My producer is Patrick Antonetti.

Our guest this week is just a tremendous reporter and writer and has a really, really interesting podcast that I think you're going to be interested in after this conversation.

Kaelin Kaler is a senior NFL writer for ESPN.

She previously worked at The Athletic where we worked together, Sports Illustrated, the MMQB where we work together.

Also, she worked at Defector.

She's the host and reporter for Spirled, which is a six-part podcast with the genesis of her

written series at Sports Illustrated on former NFL players who've left their old lives behind

for an extreme religious group. She'll explain that

in detail in this podcast. One-on-one studios produced it being distributed by IHeartMedia,

six-episode podcast. They're now in the middle of their run. They will finish up at the end

of September with episode six, and I highly recommend it. So, Kailen and I talk about that podcast for sure.

And then just a little bit of how she sort of approaches her stories.

She's a very, very unique voice when it comes to the NFL.

So Kailen Kailer coming up on the sports media podcast.

All right.

As I said at the top, excited to bring in my guest, Kaelin Kair. She is a senior NFL writer for ESPN. We've known each other for a while, which is formerly my colleague at The Athletic, also worked at Sports Illustrated under Peter King's MMQB. I think that's where actually she started after college. And it's since obviously just done amazing work.

And, you know, there's a reason why ESPN wanted a poacher from the athletic.

She is the host and reporter for Spirled, which is a podcast that's out now.

She'll tell us where it is.

I think they just released episode four of this but it's off her

written series on former NFL players who left behind their former lives for an extreme

religious group 101 studios produced it it's being distributed by our heart media um and again a

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