Well, so what did you mean by Akheny?

Because you only compared him to other black quarterbacks.

Right.

But I never mentioned authentically black.

To even put that in quotations is a lie, right?

Because I never said it.

I say he's authentically himself.

He remained authentically himself when people asked him to change.

But you are saying you did say at the end ryan

there's a whole culture that he's representing okay what what culture are you referring to

i'm referring to the culture of african americans i'm referring to the black culture i'm referring to a quarterback that comes from South Florida. And when he goes

back to do his camps or to do his community work, he goes back to those communities.

Ryan Clark joining us today in an interview that really he set up.

He reached out to me because I posted an article that was written about him that he thought was not representative, not accurate about him.

We're going to discuss it.

Does he think that Lamar Jackson should win the MVP

because he is authentically himself or because he's authentically black? That's sort of the

nuance here that we're going to get into and it has come up on a number of podcasts. So we're

going to address it directly with Ryan. I appreciate him reaching out to me to have this conversation.

We're also going to talk about his relationship with Sage Steel, which has come under a little bit of scrutiny.

And when they were at ESPN together, and also his opinion of Aaron Rogers has also been in the news lately.

So Ryan Clark is our guest.

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