You're listening to the CyberWire Network, powered by N2K. Hello and

welcome to Spycast from the Secret Files of the International Spy Museum in

Washington, D.C. I'm Mark Stout historian at the museum.

I'm a PhD author and historian who served for 13 years as an

analyst in the US intelligence community. Every month the museum brings you

interesting talks with authors, scholars, and practitioners who have something to

do with the world of intelligence and espionage.

Today I'm coming to you from the Society for Military History Conference, which this year is in New Orleans, Louisiana.

And I'm sitting down with Ralph Sawyer,

a renowned and very well respected scholar

of Chinese military history of, I believe believe what he calls the traditional period.

Ralph is an independent scholar and consultant, historical consultant, has worked with a lot of government agencies.

And he's written extensively on... has worked with a lot of government agencies.

And he's written extensively on Chinese military history,

but he is also very well known as having translated

the current, and I would say definitive to the extent there ever is definitive

of anything in the historical world a version of the art of war by Sun Sioux and

I know I'm incorrectly pronouncing Sun Sioux and I'm sure that

Ralph will correct me here in the moment as he speaks Chinese and I do not but

without further ado Ralph Sawyer thank you so much for joining us with the

International spy museum. Well it's always an honor and a pleasure.

Sun Sioux's Art of War.

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