This is Australian True Crime International with Michelle Lorry.

Twisted Yoga is a brand new short documentary series on Apple TV.

It takes us into the world of Gregorian Bivalaru, who is the spiritual leader of an international

tantric yoga movement and who was, for many years, one of Interpol's most wanted fugitives.

Bivalaru is now in custody in France, thanks in part to our guest, Ashley Freckleton.

She joins us to talk about it.

This is Australian True Crime.

We acknowledge the traditional owners of the land on which this podcast is created,

the Wurundri Woi Warang people of the Koolan Nation.

I actually, like a lot of people, I guess, saw the ad for this documentary, and I thought it was

going to be another documentary about Bikram yoga. Are you getting that a lot or a lot of people

going, I can't believe it's a second kind of yoga. Yeah, not necessarily Bikram, but everyone's

going, oh, another yoga one. Yeah. It's another story about yoga. Yeah, it's surprising to us,

isn't it? I've never been a big yoga person, but we have this, but I am Buddhist, I suppose,

so they probably intersect that in our imaginations. We think of yogis as chilled out,

fantastic people, don't we? You do. They're chill. And good, normally, good-hearted, kind-hearted,

vegetarian kind of, you know, good people around the place.

Yeah, non-violence, you know, they've got these, what are they called, like Ahimsa, like non-violence

and all of these principles that underpin yoga, which are all very humanistic and kind and loving.

Yeah, so I could understand why you, like so many other people, were attracted to yoga and then thought,

I'm going to actually take yoga real serious.

I'm going to turn this into my lifestyle and my identity, I guess.

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