Escape from Scientology

Freethought Radio

Freedom From Religion Foundation

Religion, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 578 Ratings

🗓️ 4 December 2025

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Pamela Nickel Williams, author of the memoir Clearly Lies Are True, tells us what it was like growing up in Scientology, and how she escaped that abusive cult.

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0:00.0	This is Free Thought Radio with co-host Stan Barker and Annie Laurie Gaylor, Irreverent Views, News, Music, and Interviews.
0:19.0	Imagine there's no heaven.
0:21.6	It's easy if you try.
0:27.6	No hell below us, above us only sky.
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1:02.7	This December is opening up with, I think, a record cold spell.
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1:14.9	wherever you are. And this is Free Thought Radio. I'm Annie Laurie Gaylor. And I'm Dan Barker. Annie
1:20.2	Lori and I are co-presidents of the Freedom from Religion Foundation. And this is the December 4th, 2025 episode.
1:29.9	We're recording in the Stephen Ool-friendly atheist studio in Freethought Hall,
1:35.6	our national headquarters in Madison, Wisconsin.
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1:45.6	capitalize that word in our title from. The constitution is secular and the government should
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1:57.7	that FFRF works to uphold as well as representing the point of view
2:03.5	of those of us who are personally free from religion, and that is thankfully a growing
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2:27.2	What is it like growing up in an extremely controlling religious cult
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