Escalation, Episode Seven: Boiling the Frog

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🗓️ 12 June 2025

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Today, it’s Episode Seven of Escalation, our latest narrative series co-hosted by Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien and Ukraine Fellow Anastasiia Lapatina. Throughout the show, Nastya and Tyler trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of Ukrainian independence through the present. You can listen to Escalation in its entirety, as well as our other narrative series, on our Lawfare Presents channel, wherever you get your podcasts.

In the season finale of Escalation, Nastya recounts Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022. The western world is shocked, as President Biden and Congress attempt to send weapons to Ukraine to fight back. But fundamentally different perspectives on the fight emerge, leaving Ukraine's fate uncertain and its relationship with the United States in jeopardy.

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0:31.4	It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Tyler McBrion, managing editor of Lawfare.
0:36.4	This afternoon, we're continuing to bring you a little something extra on top of our daily
0:40.2	Lawfare podcast episodes.
0:42.6	Today, it's episode seven, the finale of Escalation, our latest narrative series that I co-hosted
0:47.3	with Lawfare's Ukraine Fellow and Estacia le Patina.
0:50.4	Throughout the show, Nasty and I trace the history of U.S.-Ukrainian relations from the time of
0:54.8	Ukrainian independence through the present. You can listen to Escalation in its entirety, as well as
0:59.3	our other narrative series on our Lawfare Presents channel wherever you get your podcasts.
1:04.0	In the season finale of escalation, my co-host Nassia recounts Russia's full-scale invasion of
1:08.6	Ukraine in February 2022. The Western world is shocked
1:12.2	as President Biden and Congress attempt to send weapons to Ukraine to fight back. But fundamentally
1:17.8	different perspectives on the fight emerge, leaving Ukraine's fate uncertain and its relationship
1:22.8	with the U.S. in jeopardy. This is Escalation, Episode 7, Boiling the Frog.
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2:02.9	Previously on Escalation.
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