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🗓️ 24 February 2025
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The world watches The Cold War end and The Soviet Union break apart. And after centuries of Russian rule, Ukrainians may soon have their independence back. But in Washington, there’s fear that that independence could actually make the world more dangerous.
About Escalation:
In this new narrative series from Lawfare and Goat Rodeo, Escalation lays bare the stakes of the Ukraine-Russia War through powerful storytelling and compelling voices. It reveals forgotten promises and fragile alliances that have shaped the U.S.-Ukraine relationship and how the decisions of policymakers in Washington, Kyiv, and Moscow have global consequences.
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1:25.5 | It was a great chilly morning in April of 2022. |
1:30.5 | 49 days after Russian forces invaded my country. |
1:38.4 | I was in Boucha, a suburb near Kiev that had been liberated from Russia just two weeks prior. |
1:45.7 | This cozy town used to be the go-to spot for young families who couldn't afford to live in the capital. But by April, those families were long gone. What remained were their destroyed homes, |
1:54.2 | and streets littered with buddies of civilians who were tortured and killed by the Russian army. |
2:05.8 | On that dark morning in Boucher, I stood in a sea of mostly foreign reporters, |
2:11.1 | who were crowding around, chatting, competing over the best angles. |
2:17.0 | Their cameras clicked again and again, taking shots of men in white uniforms, |
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