Hello and welcome to the Americano podcast, a series of discussions about American politics, power and prejudices.

It is 2025 and Donald Trump is president once again of the United States.

We will, of course, be following the moves of the Donald

and his second administration very closely.

However, it won't just be politics for us this year.

We'll also talk a lot and cover American culture, life and the arts.

I should also remind you, because my producer, Natasha Natasha will not let me hear the end of it,

that we are on Spectator TV.

So head to our YouTube channel to watch that.

Today we're going to be talking about Donald Trump and South Africa,

because as the world now knows, there was an extraordinary

press conference, yet another extraordinary press conference in the Oval Office yesterday,

between Donald Trump and the South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.

It's hard to know where to begin, really, because there's been so much talk about it.

Donald Trump unveiled some evidence, what he regards as evidence, about the persecution of white farmers in South Africa.

And the South African delegation didn't take very well to it and the scenes

were quite extraordinary.

So you denounced that type of language in the video that you saw?

Oh yes, we've always done so.

As government, as my own party, we are completely opposed to that. We, in 1955, adopted a document which said,

South Africa belongs to all who live in it.

But why wouldn't you arrest that man?

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