joining me by phone is the can I say ever great Tim Keller your I know your works

means so much to so many people oh my goodness no you can't do that at all we should

have we should have talked about this beforehand though I'm very happy that I'm even

you know even at this stage in my life I'm'm still able to write, yes. Well, you know, you're, I hate to write books and people tell me you need to write another book. I'm like, no, it's, it's a painful experience for me. And then I read your books and I kind of get jealous because I'm like, man, he strings words together and as I write for a living and you're

just, you're so good at it in every book that you write. And this one, for those who don't know,

it hopes in time, hope and times of fear. It's, I was from the introduction to the last page,

I was captivated. Well, you know, my wife and I occasionally

we actually worked together on a book where we actually

co-author it. But in every case, what I do, and I did it

with this one, is we read the book out loud to each other.

Because you really, it is so much worse before you do that, because you just

can't really catch the things that

how do I say it the inelegancies and the infelicities but Kathy actually has said uh books are

hard to write and Kathy said this is the closest you will ever know to what it's like to have a

baby having a baby I can believe that now let's get into this one because you make a point at the beginning

of the book, and it's one, I've had a couple of professors in seminary mentioned this, and

they always sound frustrated when they say it. And you say to the beginning that we, we as

Christian, spend so much time on Good Friday and looking at the cross, and we kind of forget, hey, there's this event with an empty tomb on Sunday.

And we should spend a lot of time meditating on the actual resurrection, the one event in

human history that actually has the power to change you, unlike St.

Caesar crossing the Rubicon or Washington crossing the Delaware.

Yes.

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