Eric Weinstein and Mick West Clash Over UFO Evidence and Stigma

Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal

Curt Jaimungal

Physics, Philosophy, Society & Culture, Science

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🗓️ 8 July 2022

⏱️ 161 minutes

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I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOE Eric Weinstein and Mick West on UFO phenomena — the evidence, the role of skepticism, the stigma, and what counts as credible data.0:00 Introduction3:12 What does Mick respect about Eric?4:20 What does Eric respect about Mick?5:24 What does Curt respect about each6:55 Skeptic vs. Debunker (Mick... which are you?)9:32 Salutary role of skepticism and Eric's thoughts on Mick14:53 The "woo" that's concomitant with UFO research19:00 UFO research isn't a "hobby"23:34 Mick's "agenda" (or non‑agenda)25:19 No convincing public UFO data30:58 The "superposition" argument: exotic explanations Mick entertains35:03 Where is the evidence?36:28 Outlying data points matter40:07 Some debunkers stifle the UFO community, but not all43:34 Disagreement between Eric and Mick45:50 Mick has changed his mind about UFOs50:38 CE5 and invitations to Skin Walker (would Mick / Eric go?)53:26 Cattle mutilation? Remote viewing?1:06:14 Classifying different UFO craft1:07:31 Why so many sober UFO witnesses?1:09:22 Brandon Fugal's story1:16:46 UFOs as "technology" vs. "new physics"1:23:37 Secret history of anti‑gravity research with Lefschetz and DeWitt1:30:58 Remaining terrestrial explanations1:41:26 Eric's 1988 sighting1:44:57 Skin Walker TV show and stigma1:46:30 Brandon's high‑quality data points?1:47:45 Opinions on Bob Lazar1:48:52 Opprobrium from stigma1:51:45 Twitter squabble between Eric and Mick1:54:11 Ongoing opprobrium toward firsthand accounts1:58:46 Defending claims without physical evidence2:03:05 Some conspiracies are real2:07:56 Rectifying ridicule in ufology2:21:41 Eric's view on precipitating disclosure2:24:48 Mick's view on precipitating disclosure2:27:21 Curt asked: "What do you want to see happen?"2:33:32 Is it improbable we're visited? If we were, we'd visit others.SPONSORS:RESOURCES:- Patreon: https://patreon.com/curtjaimungal- Crypto: https://tinyurl.com/cryptoTOE- PayPal: https://tinyurl.com/paypalTOE- Twitter: https://twitter.com/TOEwithCurt- Discord Invite: https://discord.com/invite/kBcnfNVwqs- iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ca/podcast/better-left-unsaid-with-curt-jaimungal/id1521758802- Pandora: https://pdora.co/33b9lfP- Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Subreddit r/TheoriesOfEverything: https://reddit.com/r/theoriesofeverything- Merch: https://tinyurl.com/TOEmerch- Mick's YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/MickWest- Crash Course on Physics by Curt: https://youtu.be/e8kyvdPP8os- The Portal (Eric's podcast): https://www.youtube.com/EricWeinsteinPhD- The Tales From the Rabbit Hole (Mick's podcast): https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/tales-from-the-rabbit-hole/id1462120258- Need to Know (Ross Coulthart's podcast with Zabel): https://www.youtube.com/BryceZabel and https://needtoknow.today/- http://betterleftunsaidfilm.com Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. FOLLOW: Substack | Spotify | YouTube | Twitter Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	In the interest of disclosure, Eric and I may be working together on explanations of the mathematical concepts behind geometric unity.
0:07.0	As for what specific form, it's undecided, but consider this a potential teaser.
0:12.0	As always, you can click on the timestamp in the description or over here to skip this longish introduction.
0:17.0	Today's the eulocution involves Eric Weinstein and Mick West on the topic of the
0:21.9	evidence of UFOs, as well as the relationship between skeptics, debunkers, disclosure,
0:27.1	the public perception, and scientific inquiry. Eric Weinstein is the inventor of geometric
0:31.7	unity, a proposed theory of everything, as well as being an advocate for UFO disclosure.
0:36.7	Mick West is a science writer as well as skeptical investigator, who's had some choice words
0:41.3	to say about the disclosed footage of the phenomenon, as well as being the creator behind
0:45.3	the software that at least purportedly substantiates his analysis.
0:49.3	Mick West is also the author of escaping the rabbit hole, howunk Conspiracy Theory using facts, logic, and respect.
0:56.3	A special thank you goes out to Mick because he was in the hot seat with the difficult
1:01.0	task of defending the quote-unquote skeptical communities perceived tenor against those who
1:06.1	see some non-terine explanation behind UFOs.
1:08.8	The links to their respective podcasts, that is, The Portal by
1:12.2	Eric, and Tales from the Rabbit Hole by Mick, can be found in the description. Another podcast
1:17.3	that's terribly worth subscribing to is Ros Colthardt's Need to Know with Zabel, and the links to that
1:23.4	are in the description as well. My name's Kurt Jymungle. I'm a Torontoian filmmaker with a
1:27.8	background in mathematical physics dedicated to the explication of the variegated terrain of theories
1:33.4	of everything. From a mainly theoretical physics perspective, but as well as analyzing consciousness
1:38.5	and determining what constitutive role does that have to play in reality and the fundamental laws
1:43.9	provided these laws
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