Eric Holder and Sam Koppelman

Impolitic with John Heilemann

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🗓️ 31 May 2022

⏱️ 88 minutes

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John Heilemann talks with former Attorney General Eric Holder and speechwriter Sam Koppelman, co-authors of the new book Our Unfinished March: The Violent Past and Imperiled Future of the Vote — A History, a Crisis, a Plan. Heilemann, Holder, and Koppelman discuss the importance of the right to vote and why it has been under siege since the Supreme Court’s 2013 decision in Shelby County v. Holder, which gutted the 1965 Voting Rights Act; their wide-ranging prescriptions for saving the American democratic process, including not just protections of voting rights but fundamental reforms to the Supreme Court, the U.S. Senate, congressional redistricting, and the Electoral College; and Holder’s reluctant embrace of the arguments in favor of indicting former President Donald Trump for his actions related to the January 6 insurrection. They also discuss the fatal shooting of 19 schoolchildren and two teachers in Uvalde, Texas, the Republican Party’s intransigence on the Second Amendment, and what might be required to shock voters and their representatives in Congress into reforming the nation's gun laws.

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0:00.0	Hey everyone, John Hylman here and welcome to another edition of Hell on High Water, my
0:18.9	podcast for the recount about politics and culture on the edge of Armageddon with big
0:22.8	ups to my pal Rizza, the presiding genius behind the sound of Wu Teng Clan and the producer
0:27.4	of our dope The Music and More Back Again today with someone who has never produced
0:30.6	any music for this podcast, but who is a co-creator of it more importantly, if there was no
0:34.5	grace line seen there would be no Hell on High Water, Grace, how's it going?
0:38.5	As per usual, I'm doing well, it's summertime, so I can't complain.
0:42.0	And I would say also, I think it probably puts you in a good mood to be having a little
0:45.9	introductory part in that podcast you co-created.
0:48.4	I mean, you've got some pride of authorship here.
0:50.6	Absolutely.
0:51.6	Intellectual simulation on a Monday morning, absolutely.
0:54.4	Well, we got a lot of that for you here because on today's podcast, we have two incredibly
1:00.2	smart guests who are dealing with, I don't know, I'm not sure there's any more important
1:04.5	issue to the country and the future of our democracy.
1:08.7	And that issue is voting rights.
1:10.2	Eric Holder, former attorney general and Sam Coppeman, his co-author, they are the two
1:15.0	writers of this new book called Our Unfinished March, The Violent Past and Impiraled Future
1:21.8	of the Vote.
1:22.8	I don't think you've read it yet, Grace.
1:24.8	Obviously, there's a very important issue.
1:26.9	What do you want?
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