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Welcome to the Eric Mataxas show with your host Eric Mataxas.

Hey there folks many of you have followed this program know that I love science you don't have to be a scientist to love science

but I have to say loving science means you read books by scientists who are actually scientists and one of the things that I love is to read books usually by folks from the discovery institute up in Seattle

tremendous tremendous evidence of God from science in my the book that's coming out in the fall that I've written called is atheism dead there's a ton of that stuff about the fine tune universe

astounding so many people don't know about it there is a new book out on this subject it's called cancelled science what some atheists don't want you to see Eric Hedin I think is how you pronounce it Eric Hedin welcome the program

Thank you very much Eric glad to be with you are you sure it's Hedin yeah so I'm quite sure about that Hedin not Hedin E just Hedin

just Hedin it's a kind of a name is Hedin it's a Swedish background Swedish so that means your parts Swedish yeah about three fours

you're willing to admit that on this program I'm fascinated okay Eric Hedin seriously I've been looking through your book this is the kind of stuff that I love I really love this stuff and most people don't know anything about it

that's why I'm putting it in my forthcoming book most people simply don't know that there is astounding scientific evidence for God most people just can't even imagine that because we live in a time where people talk about the

God of the gaps that science is pushing God out just the opposite science is pushing God in and your book you talk about that let's start with your story of what happened at ball state

you well tell your story because you tell it in the book all right thank you I had been teaching physics and astronomy at Ball State University in Indiana and I developed a course called the boundaries of science

and I taught it within the honors college there ball state for about six years it was an elective science course it was based on information I had gathered from students over the years when I was teaching physics and astronomy

and in that information mostly acquired through responses to questions I put in classes I found out that students really have a deep interest in questions that were more than just trivial questions about the meaning of life where we came from and what happens after you die and what are the boundaries of science can science explain everything or will it be able to explain everything in the future

and so I put together this course to be a science course mostly cosmology and astronomy and physics but also to give room to explore these big questions that I found that most students actually were really interested in

and so I had been teaching that for a number of years it's going well when an outside meaning outside the university outside the state and outside atheist began to accuse the university of allowing a science course to go on which was pushing religion in the classroom

and the accusation came about because this atheist had gotten a hold of the course syllabus and had noted that there were some books on the syllabus not even required books just mentioned that were written by scientists who are Christians perhaps some of the ones that you referred to when you mentioned the discovery institute in Seattle

and looking at evidence that pointed to intelligent design so this led to a massive ongoing investigation I guess is the euthanism for it where the university put together a panel composed primarily of atheists and Darwinists

what do you say it was it was a investigation is that what you called it yes that's what the university referred to it

the real term just so you understand I'm a writer it's which trial which trial or if you prefer kangaroo court you can also use that so they just decided that even going near the possibility of God was out of bounds was an offense

I mean this is typical this is the materialistic naturalistic lunacy in which we live that they don't you know it's kind of like a baker deciding if you talk about anything besides baking I'm going to leave I will not count

and anything outside of the realm of baking it's completely arbitrary it's madness it's like saying science as all there is even though science can't tell us that we have just arbitrarily philosophically said science as all there is

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