This is Hidden Killers with Tony Brewski. Here now, Tony Bruske. But it seems to be how their brains work.

Let's watch another piece of this. Actually, we're going to go into some of these voicemails here that were played in court the other day and some of the text messages.

And we'll kind of work our way through this. I want to take a real, pay a lot of attention here to the tone of what she's saying, how she's saying

it, and more importantly, who she's saying it to? Because on the surface, she's leaving a voicemail

for John O'Keefe. She's texting John O'Keefe. So one would assume these are for John O'Keefe.

I don't know that that's truly the reality of this. Let's take a look and we'll work our way through.

John, I fucking hate you!

John, I'm talking with your fucking kids.

Nobody knows what a fucking whirmer.

Okay, I want to stop there for those two.

The first one, those are two separate voicemails.

John, I effing,

hate you. Why does she hate him? Let's just play by reality here, reality here of what we know,

of what she knew at the time. He didn't look mortally wounded. She left him in the yard. She

saw him either in the yard or in the street. I'm not even going to the house story because it's BS. She's already said where she last saw him. Didn't look mortally wounded. And she hates him because what Jen McCabe said that there's a lady down the road that you used to be in a relationship with, which she knew about?

Or is she mad at John O'Keefe because John O'Keefe got in her way?

Because now she's over here.

And her reality is this, she has this image that she projects.

And everybody likes her.

And Karen's good.

Karen's lovely.

And then if the reality over here of what happened is going to conflict with her version of herself that she likes other people to see, being the woman who killed the guy

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