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Equipped Together: Andrew Wilson on Eph. 4:1–16

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Gospel Coalition, Religion, The Gospel Coalition, 608017, Christianity, Tgc, Religion & Spirituality, Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.51.2K Ratings

🗓️ 28 November 2025

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In this plenary session from TGC25, Andrew Wilson argues that you can't make sense of the book of Ephesians without understanding the necessity of Jesus's ascension.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the Gospel Coalition podcast, where we help to renew and unify the contemporary church in the ancient gospel.

0:16.3

Today's podcast is the fifth of seven plenary messages on Ephesians delivered at TGC's

0:22.2

2025 national conference. Listen now to Andrew Wilson on Ephesians 4, 1 to 16, equipped together.

0:32.8

What a morning. The British are coming. Sorry. I know that's bad news on this side of the Atlantic, isn't it?

0:40.3

Do you want to turn in your Bibles to Ephesians chapter 4? We're going to be in Ephesians 4, 1 to 16,

0:46.3

tragically having to skip the second half of chapter 3, but obviously the first half of Alastus opened up for us so beautifully earlier.

0:56.9

We're going to read it in a moment, but I want to set the scene.

1:01.2

Ephesians doesn't make sense without the ascension,

1:08.7

which would sound odd to some of us because I think we would be used to thinking that of the resurrection or the cross. If I said, Ephesians makes no sense without the resurrection. Everyone says, well, of course, because Christianity doesn't work without the resurrection. You can't, it's a load-bearing wall. You can't take it out. If I said Ephesians doesn't make sense without the cross, we'd all say, absolutely, because how could you have a gospel without a cross as we've just been singing? And if I said Ephesians doesn't make sense without the

1:27.9

gift of the spirit, those of us who know the letter well would probably say again, of course,

1:32.8

Ephesians, I did the nerdy stats on this, but Ephesians is, in crude percentage terms,

1:38.0

is the most spirit filled book in the Bible in terms of the number of times the word spirit

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appears. And so we might say, well, you can't take the gift of the spirit out either. But if I said you can't have Ephesians and the

1:49.0

argument doesn't hold, it doesn't watch if you don't have the ascension in it. Some of us might

1:54.3

be tempted to ask why. The ascension doesn't feel, probably to some of us, our church traditions,

2:18.7

the ascension doesn't feel like a load-bearing wall. It probably feels like, do you call them stud walls here? Sort of at the wall that you can kind of, like a bathroom, where you sort of build it within a room and then create a new space. It feels like something you can stick up, take down, but you wouldn't lose the house if the ascension wasn't true. And I put it to you that in Ephesians, you absolutely would. Ephesians doesn't work without the ascension not only

2:24.4

being true, but actually being at the heart of the argument that Paul is making. So in chapter one,

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the ascension is completely central to the chapter in a way that the resurrection actually isn't. I mean, obviously, if Jesus isn't alive, then there's no ascension is completely central to the chapter in a way that the resurrection

2:34.4

actually isn't I mean obviously Jesus isn't alive then there's no ascension

2:38.0

anyway but bear with me the the resurrection is not integral to the argument of

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chapter one in the way that the ascension is when Paul says God raised Christ

2:47.0

from the dead tick and seated him at the right hand in the heavenly places

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