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Hey, guys, me, Sam Stein, managing editor at the bulwark, joined by Joe Perdico and author of Press Pass and Denison of Capitol Hill. You see him there in the rotunda. That's Russell, right? No, Canon. House side. That's what I meant. Canon, definitely. We're talking because Joe's been on the Hill today, taking in the frockis over the Jeffrey Epstein

files.

There has been a lot of back and forth at the White House, too, frankly.

But Joe, can you walk us through the state of play?

So this morning was when Thomas Massey and Rokana unveiled their discharge petition

based on their resolution from earlier in July,

which basically the discharge petition is a mechanism that when a bill sits for a certain amount of time,

which passed over August, they can use it to get 218 signatures, regardless of party, to force a vote.

And as, you know, we've seen Mike Johnson doesn't want this to be voted on, but they say right now they got 212 Democrats and four Republicans, so they need two more Republicans.

So this would be to force a vote onto a bill that would require the release of all the Epstein files with a few exceptions

for victim identity and stuff like that. Yeah. And they unveiled it with victims present at the

president. So the victims are supportive of it. That's important to say. The other thing that's

happening sort of as a dual track is the oversight committee run by James Comer is subpoenaing

the Justice Department for files. They're claiming they're going to have these interviews with

law enforcement officials from the past, Republican and Democrat alike, about the case.

And then last night kind of came a twist where they revealed about 30,000 or so documents,

but those documents were largely rehashes. What's your sense of what's going on with the

oversight committee's process? So it's being held by James Comer, who, if you remember,

the various Biden investigations, manages this committee in a very freewheeling, haphazard way.

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