When it comes to the Epstein files, we often hear about the famous people mentioned in them,

but a reporting team at NPR recently focused on a place, the Interlaken Center for the Arts.

It's a prestigious elite school up in northern Michigan for really talented young artists,

people who go through there.

I mean, there was Josh Grobin, Chapel Rhone.

That's Ava Berger, an intern here at NPR.

She co-reported a story recently about Jeffrey Epstein's relationship to Interlockin. We found out that Epstein was in a lump.

He played the bassoon in the 1960s out Interlochen, and he would come back later in the 90s and early 2000s and donate almost a little bit over $400,000 to the school.

The largest chunk of that donation went to building a cabin on Interlocon's campus. Epstein and his co-conspirator Galane Maxwell would stay there for

brief visits, years before they were convicted for sex crimes. Ava learned how those visits worked.

So Galane Maxwell would contact a school administrator. We'd like to come and stay in the cabin.

The administrator would say, yes, great, what do you need?

And Gleyn would get back and say, I want, we want these things, and we're coming.

Once they're there, they really were on their own.

And that's where the story takes a turn.

This lodge was his base there.

And while he was there, he was walking around campus, and he had a little dog with him with Gleine Maxwell.

And that's where he ended up meeting to a 13-year-old and a 14-year-old girl.

Those girls, now women in their 40s, became wrapped up in Epstein's orbit.

The first woman who testified in the Galane Maxwell trial, she described years of sexual abuse.

The second woman who we talked to, she described a relationship that was manipulative in controlling and an abuse of power.

Consider this.

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