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This is on point. I'm Megna Chakra-Bardi.

Annie Farmer was just 16 years old when she first met Jeffrey Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell.

She carries the damage of that experience to this day and has fought for justice for her and fellow survivors ever since. She's also a psychologist who specializes

in helping people with anxiety, grief, and trauma recovery. Annie Farmer, welcome to On Point.

Thank you so much, Magnin. Great to be here. Annie, I have to say that not long after

we heard that you were willing to have this conversation with me, I actually bumped into an opinion piece in the New York Times.

It was by Amy Wallace. I know you know Amy because she helped Virginia Joufrey write her memoir, Nobody's Girl.

And for the few people out there who don't know this, Virginia was assaulted and trafficked

by Epstein and Maxwell for years, abused by very many powerful men, including Andrew,

former prince in the UK.

And just awfully, Virginia died by suicide earlier this year.

Now, in the New York Times piece, Amy Wallace asks a question.

Quote, why do we, as a society, ask those who have been weakened by abuse to do the heaviest lifting?

Not just calling out the predatory schemes of those who abused them,

but also testifying and being deposed under oath as well as sitting for interviews and

news conferences. I have not been able to stop thinking about that because, I mean, right now,

we are essentially doing exactly what Amy Wallace says. We are asking you to once again

do the heavy lifting. I mean, you had every right in the world to have said no to this interview.

So I'm just wondering why you did agree to do this conversation today.

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