Epstein Scandal Keeps Shaking Trumpworld

The Next Level

The Bulwark

Politics, News, News Commentary

4.9 • 2.4K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 72 minutes

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Summary

Tim Miller, Sarah Longwell and JVL debate whether Trump’s reaction to the Epstein files, calling it a “hoax” and lashing out at former supporters, marks a turning point. They explore whether this could crack the deep trust his base has in him, especially conspiracy-driven voters who saw him as the one to expose elites.

They also argue Democrats should lean into the issue, pushing for hearings and accountability. While Trump’s health and appearance come up briefly, the real question is whether this controversy could shake his hold on crank-aligned voters who once saw him as their truth-teller.

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0:00.0	Trump is getting himself in trouble in the gaggles right now because there are actually reporters
0:04.5	for the first time asking him about this.
0:11.3	Hello, everyone. This is JVL here with my best friends, Sarah Longwell and Tim Miller of the
0:18.1	bulwark. And like Noel and Liam and Liam Gallagher, we are back together again.
0:24.3	It's an amazing, exciting reunion.
0:26.6	Hey, mate.
0:27.0	Tim, welcome.
0:28.1	Sarah looks is rested.
0:30.8	Sarah looks really fresh.
0:32.2	You can carry this over into the show.
0:33.7	Fresh.
0:34.6	I was like Sarah looks fresh and rested.
0:35.7	Because she's just been chilling.
0:37.3	Good to see her again. You know, it's good to see her. I don't even understand what this accusation is. You were on I'm just saying you look rusted. You were on vacation. Okay. Yeah, you were on vacation. Yeah, you were on vacation. Check, you didn't check in with me. I didn't hear from you. It's just been a while. So I've seen you.
0:54.5	I left you alone because you were on vacation.
0:51.4	Thank you. That's nice. That's good. I don't understand why. I've re-entered though. Okay. Did you need me to, what do you need for me? I don't know, check in. That's a going. I was vacation What's up?
0:53.6	You know
0:54.2	That's what the shows are for to check in. How's it going? I was vacation. What's up?
1:11.7	You know?
1:13.0	That's what the shows are for for us to catch up.
1:16.2	How are you been?
1:18.0	You know, fine.
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