This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski, Stacey Cole, and Todd Michaels.

We're talking about Nobody's Girl, Virginia Jufre's book that is out right now posthumously telling her story,

her life story of life before Epstein, with Epstein, after Epstein, and the damage that was done to her and

then the life that she tried to lead with all of that damage that was done by these

soul ripper things. It's anyone to call them people. Robin Drake retired FBI special agency

for the counterintelligence behavioral analysis program is with us. We were just talking in our

first segment about Galane Maxwell and how could she, how could she participate in this? How could

she be part of the recruiting? I think one of the shocking parts of the book is the fact that Virginia herself talks about

how she too eventually participated in the recruiting of other girls for Epstein to her own detriment.

Let's break down that transparency that she has about this. Obviously,

Galane's always denied any of this. But Virginia flat out says, yeah, I was part of this and I did this.

Let's talk about that and how she came to that, not necessarily realization, but feeling safe enough to say that out loud, almost as a warning to others out there.

Yeah, she was very transparent on the fact that Glenn would tell her go out.

So they would send her out.

So as soon as she established enough trust with

them that they could let her out of their site and send her places and to do things, especially

when she went to actually, when they paid for her to go to Thailand to get certified as a Thai masseuse,

they sent her on a targeting mission. They actually identified someone in Thailand.

They wanted to try to recruit.

And Gulen was calling her every single day.

And that's where that pressure was applied from Golan all the time.

The pressure of wanting to and needing to satisfy her demands that she's being placed on her.

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