Atheists, agnostics, long-haired, weirdos, short-haired widows, vandal,

Gula.

I'm the government, hug the government, love, the government, hug the government, love, the government.

Welcome to the politics, guys, a place for bipartisan, rational, and civil debate on American politics and policy.

I'm Trey Orndorff, a political scientist, Oklahoma Christian University, and I'm joined by Justin Holmes, a professor of political science at the University of Northern Iowa. Justin, welcome to the midweek supporter show.

Hey, Trey, it's good to be here. It is fun to be here. You know, we, we're still working kind of on our definitive rotation, but it has been fun. I think we're going to be kind of a pair. I always enjoy chatting with you. I feel like we're on the same wavelength in a lot of things. Well, and we're also on the same time zone, which is always a little bit of fun, too, you know, just to be honest. I, to be entirely blunt, you know, everybody in the East wants to record at 9 a.m. on Saturdays, and that's eight for me. And as an aside, I have always lived on rock and roll time and continue to live on rock and roll time. And eight o'clock on a Saturday morning is not a good idea for me. It's very hard to be...

I feel like I'm more on when I'm doing this on a Friday afternoon.

Listen, I absolutely...

Or even at 9 o'clock on Saturday morning, but 8th Saturday morning is just...

That's for the birds.

Listen, I hear you, and I think... I know in the other show, we recognized that we had some theological differences, but regardless of how you look at it, neither God nor the spaghetti monster want us to be operating that early on a Saturday. And I think we can come together on that view.

May you be blessed by his noodley appendage.

But we'll move away from teasing a little bit.

But I think we needed to tease a little bit on this show because, you know, the weekend show, it was heady.

It was heavy.

So we've got to be, no, we don't got to be anything.

But I think this will be a little lighter in some

ways. And that's part of, that's part of how this works. As a general personality, Gravitas is

hard for me. So yeah, it's, yeah, I hear you. I hear you. I, I, I would much rather have the

gallows humor than being too serious at the gallows.

But that's not always the right moment.

It's not always the moment.

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