Jeffrey Epstein has shadowed and darkened almost every aspect of Donald Trump's first year back in office.

And so we need to talk about that some more.

Welcome back to the To the Contrary Podcast. I'm Charlie Sacks.

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the crazy ones. But the Epstein story, and the reason why we're spending some time on this

again, is because this is the one story amid all of the flotsam and the jetsam and the outrages.

This is the one story that won't go away. Donald Trump has been a master of distraction,

and yet he has failed to distract from this story. Why does the Epstein story not go away, and where is it going?

We need to take a dive into that today.

So my guest today is my go-to source on all things, Jeffrey Epstein, Tara Palmaire, who is the host of the Tara Palmyra show on YouTube and authors the substack newsletter, the red letter.

Tara, thank you for coming back on the podcast. Appreciate it very much.

Yeah, thanks for having me, Charlie. I'm always happy to be here.

Well, let's start with talking about, because it hasn't been that long, Pam Bondi's appearance before the House committee, where she refused to acknowledge the survivors and victims.

So talk to me about Pam Bondi's

performance and how the survivors reacted to that. Oh, I mean, they were disgusted by it and hurt,

like I think the rest of the country, it was a clown show. But, you know, she obviously doesn't

understand the gravity of these crimes and what these women have been through. And she's the top law enforcement official in this country. And I think everyone

should be concerned about that, that she really has very little regard for crime victims, because at any

time in our lives, we could all be crime victims. And, you know, to hear someone who clearly

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