We're live and I'm really excited about this conversation because one of my favorite writers in the whole wide world, Kathy Young is with me.

There she is.

She writes for the bulwark.

Always good, interesting stuff.

And by the way, as you come in, hit your red hearts, everybody.

That does something positive, I think.

Yep, I'm looking at red hearts. I see them. They're coming in right now.

How those red hearts, that does something to the algorithm. I am here with Kathy Young,

very, very excited. By the way, if you're not already following and subscribe to Kathy Young on Substank,

you need to be.

She's a brilliant writer and a smart, savvy writer who's always writing about really

interesting things.

Kathy, welcome.

So far with a single word you said.

All right. You wrote a piece yesterday, I believe, single word you said. All right.

You wrote a piece yesterday, I believe, in the bulwark called How Close Were Epstein's Ties to Russia Really?

And I was so intrigued by the title, Kathy, and I want to start here, because I want to believe in my

heart of hearts that Donald Trump is a Russian asset, and Jeffrey Epstein was a Russian asset,

and I know we shouldn't believe things unless we've seen evidence. So start us at the beginning.

Let's just start with the question you pose in your piece.

How close were Epstein's ties to Russia, to Putin?

Well, I'll tell you, I still, after spending like a few days pouring over this stuff,

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