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Welcome to News World Podcast on the IHeart Podcast Network.

I'm really pleased to welcome my guest, Brady Kreutzer.

He's a historian of the American Frontier,

the award-winning author of The Whiskey Rebellion, Gaiasuta in the fall of

Indian America, and Hessians. His work has appeared in the Wall Street Journal, Washington Post,

The Journal of the American Revolution. He hosts the acclaimed podcast dispatches and appears regularly

on Into the Wild Frontier, Outlaws and Lawmen, and Fox Nations,

Blood on the Bridge, the Battle of Lexington and Concord. He teaches at Robert Morris University,

and is joining me to discuss his latest book, The National Road, George Washington, and America's First Highway West. Brady, welcome

and thank you for joining me in this world. Thank you, Mr. Speaker. It's a pleasure.

Brady, you know, most Americans know about Washington as a general and as president, but your book

also introduces us to Washington, the surveyor. Why do you think that side of Washington

is important to understanding who he was? You know, George Washington, his whole life, if you look at

his different experiences from the French and Indian War through the revolution and even his presidency. He always had an eye for the land. And I think that's something that's

lost on a lot of people. He was sort of an infrastructure nut in a way. He was always looking at

how to improve the land, how to make the land work for his colony and then his country. Because he believed that the

future of the continent, maybe not even in his own time, but certainly in generations ahead,

was over the Appalachian Mountains in what he would call the West. You know, he lived in a world

of sails and ships, but I think he knew the future of America was a world of wagons and

wheels. And he always had his eye on the West. That was the great prize. Even in the revolution,

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