I am very nice to see that my old friend Nils is here today to talk about his new book,

which is a book which I have had the chance to read, and a book which I recommend.

Everyone with an interest in just trying to understand turbulence in not just European Western politics over the past decade or so,

and trying just to get a better handle on

understanding what's been going on.

Related to that is, of course,

for at least those of us who call ourselves liberals

and who have watched the populist development with concern.

I think it's also a book which is necessary for us

in order to begin, sort of prompt us to reflect on perhaps things that we've done wrong.

Perspectives that were perhaps to be great, even arrogant,

approaches to our understanding of society which didn't accommodate all the things we need to accommodate

we need to accommodate in order to have a broader ideas climate, which is open, inclusive, inviting to people of

different types of beliefs and different types of preferences in life.

We're now on the verge of a European Parliament election.

You've all seen the forecasts about how populist

parties are probably going to make the best election ever.

They've done in the European Parliament election.

We say that every time when there is an election to European Parliament, but it's just

a reflection of reality that these parties have

become increasingly strong nationally. And of course, they sometimes also find it easier to get a

better foothold in European elections because turnouts and elections tend to be lower. And if you bring

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