Episode 956: AI and the U.S. Military
Newt's World
Gingrich 360
4.6 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 15 March 2026
⏱️ 29 minutes
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Summary
Newt talks with Michael Horowitz, senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations and Richard Perry Professor at the University of Pennsylvania. They discuss the AI company Anthropic and its model, Claude Gov, which is the first AI model used on classified systems. A recent meeting between Secretary Hegseth and Anthropic's CEO Dario Amodei at the Pentagon failed to reach an agreement on assurances against the use of the model for surveillance or autonomous weapons, leading Anthropic to sue the Department of Defense over being labeled a supply chain risk. Horowitz discusses the slow adoption of AI in the military, attributing it to the U.S. military's historical reluctance to change due to its current superiority. He outlines three AI applications in the military: logistics, intelligence surveillance, and autonomous weapon systems, emphasizing the potential for AI to transform warfare. They also discuss OpenAI working with the military. Horowitz sees AI as an inevitable part of military evolution, comparable to past technological revolutions like electricity.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:02.3 | Guaranteed Human. |
| 0:08.7 | On this episode of NUTS World, the AI company Anthropic created a special model called |
| 0:16.3 | Claude Gov, the first to be used on classified systems. |
| 0:23.0 | This model does not have the same guardrails and restrictions that their models available to the public have. On Tuesday, February 24th, |
| 0:29.5 | Secretary Hexeth met with Dario Amodi, the Anthropic chief executive at the Pentagon, |
| 0:36.6 | and they could not come to an agreement over Anthropic |
| 0:39.8 | asking for reasonable assurances that its model would not be used for surveillance of Americans |
| 0:46.2 | or in autonomous weapons such as drone operations that did not involve human oversight. |
| 0:53.4 | Anthropic is now suing the Department of Defense |
| 0:55.6 | and escalating their dispute |
| 0:58.3 | over the use of artificial intelligence and warfare. |
| 1:01.9 | I am really pleased to welcome my guest, Michael Horowitz. |
| 1:06.4 | He is a senior fellow for technology and innovation |
| 1:09.4 | at the Council in Foreign Relations. |
| 1:12.2 | He's also director of Perry World House and Richard Perry Professor at the University of Pennsylvania. |
| 1:18.9 | He previously served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Forest Development and Emerging |
| 1:24.5 | Capabilities and Director of the Emerging Capabilities Policy Office. |
| 1:29.6 | He is the author of the diffusion of military power, |
| 1:33.3 | causes and consequences for international politics, |
| 1:36.5 | and co-author of Why Leaders Fight. |
| 1:43.4 | The Michael, welcome, and thank you for joining me on Neutchevold. |
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