In the middle of war sirens and missile attacks, Haviv Gur sits down with Israeli philosopher Micah Goodman for a sweeping conversation about one of the biggest questions of our time: Why have some societies declined while others thrive? They trace the ideological roots of modern Islamist movements, the “politics of blame” that has hollowed out regimes like Iran, and the deep miscalculation that led Israel’s enemies to believe a liberal democracy would collapse under pressure. Instead, Israel revealed a strange and powerful formula—combining fierce individualism with tribal solidarity—that produced both technological strength and extraordinary willingness to sacrifice. The result, they argue, may be more than a military victory: It could be the collapse of an entire ideology.

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This episode was sponsored by Glenn Bergenfield, who asked to dedicate the episode to “my quirky and loving wife, Sarah, who has studied our past, considered the present, met my family and is converting anyway. Mazal tov and welcome home.” Glenn also asked us to say, “And I’m grateful to you, Haviv, for your clarity, your relentless curiosity and your generosity of spirit in these hard times.”

Thank you, Glenn, for this wonderful dedication.

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Musical intro by Adam Ben Amitai.