Episode 94: If You Troll Into The Abyss, The Abyss Trolls Also Into You
Blocked and Reported
Katie Herzog and Jesse Singal
4.6 • 4.1K Ratings
🗓️ 11 December 2021
⏱️ 41 minutes
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Summary
Jesse confronts Katie with the results of some good ol’ fashioned southern-fried investigative reporting, Katie asks Jesse about his $5,000-dollar-per-plate Christmas gala in D.C., and Katie talks about the very strange and disturbing tale of Ben Garrison, racist (?) cartoonist. (If you’re a Primo and want to discuss this episode, click here.)
Show notes/Links:
New edition of Hal Herzog’s book!: https://www.amazon.com/Some-Love-Hate-Eat-Second-dp-0063119285/dp/0063119285/
Cockburn: https://spectatorworld.com/life/cockburn-cruises-dc-christmas-party-scene-breitbart-reason-singal/
Original spoofed cartoon: https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F819e1e5d-9823-4fb3-be3c-f98dc76e782e_435x640.png
An actual Garrison cartoon. Note the characteristically understated symbolism and dense layers of allusion:
Garrison’s 2014 blog post explaining his problem: https://archive.md/mpFii#selection-253.115-253.937
The happy merchant: https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-02/4/11/enhanced/webdr02/enhanced-17159-1423068265-32.jpg
2017 Wired coverage: https://www.wired.com/story/ben-garrison-alt-right-cartoonist/
Uhhhh getting genuinely problematic: https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/07/cartoon-e1562781719760-640x400.jpg
Lead image: Asheville, the moment Jesse’s pants were first charmed off.
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| 0:00.0 | I'm going to go to the next one. |
| 0:07.0 | Jesse Shingo, how's it going? |
| 0:10.0 | Katie, I have so many questions for you right now. |
| 0:13.0 | Uh-oh, why? What's going on? |
| 0:14.0 | Check your email and play it and let's get your response to what I just sent you. |
| 0:17.0 | All right, ready. |
| 0:18.0 | All right, Katie, I'm here with your parents. |
| 0:21.0 | How's Mary-Jean? How's it going? |
| 0:23.0 | Good, good. |
| 0:24.0 | Going pretty good, yeah. |
| 0:25.0 | Right to meet you. |
| 0:26.0 | We have an awkward mic set up where I sort of have each of them on one side of me. |
| 0:29.0 | Um, but yeah, so I'll start with you, Mary-Jean. |
| 0:32.0 | What was it like raising Katie? |
| 0:34.0 | Oh my God, that is a big question. |
| 0:37.0 | Um, raising Katie well, Katie, um, was, uh, a very determined child. |
| 0:46.0 | Difficult. |
| 0:47.0 | Well, I would say determined. |
| 0:50.0 | She had her own life from the very beginning. |
| 0:54.0 | I hate that about her. |
| 0:55.0 | Yeah, yeah. |
| 0:57.0 | Yeah, but, um, I mean, she was always very interesting and very, uh, |
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