Episode 89

Sword and Scale

Incongruity

True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary, History

4 • 61.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 May 2017

⏱️ 71 minutes

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Summary

Matthew Hahn is bright, eloquent, friendly and just generally the kind of person you like immediately. He's the kind of person that will tell you everything about his life within seconds of meeting him, but only if you ask. He's an open book which is unusual, because once you hear his story, and your jaw drops to the floor with the disbelief that what you're listening to is not is tall tale, but a reality that this person you're speaking to has lived through, there's one other fact you have to accept: Matt Hahn is a criminal. And you still like him, because his moral compass is stronger than most...

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0:00.0	Sword and Scale contains adult themes and violence and is not intended for all audiences.
0:05.8	Listener discretion is advised.
0:12.0	And to think that I was facing 400 years to life, having never conveyed a violent crime, that's crazy.
0:20.0	Welcome to Sword and Scale, a show that reveals that the worst monsters are real.
0:31.0	They say there is no honor amongst thieves, but I think the following story will prove that to be patently false.
0:53.0	We've approached the true crime genre from every conceivable point of view. We've talked to both defensive attorneys and prosecutors, forensic pathologists and forensic psychologists, 9-1-1 operators and the paramedics that respond to the scene.
1:09.0	We've also talked to the victims themselves, their families, their friends and their neighbors.
1:15.0	One point of view though that we rarely cover is that of the perpetrator, the criminal.
1:21.0	You know, there's a lot of people out there, maybe some of you listening, who are so fascinated with true crime and murder specifically, that you'll take the extra step to write a letter to a convicted murderer, hoping to get a response.
1:36.0	This is not something that's really ever interested me, partially because I've heard the horror stories of these masters of manipulation, these psychopaths, who even from behind bars end up figuring out ways to victimize those kind enough.
1:50.0	Some of these criminals are true monsters, their humanity stripped away, maybe even genetically before they were born.
2:02.0	So I've never had much interest in actually speaking to a convicted criminal until I ran across this story, which can shift your whole paradigm of simplistic thinking.
2:14.0	Black or white, true or false, good or bad, it all gets turned on its head with the following story.
2:22.0	On this episode, we're taking a deep dive inside the mind and life of a convicted criminal, and his incredible road to redemption.
2:33.0	Stay tuned.
2:48.0	This is Matt.
2:49.0	My name is Matt Han.
2:50.0	Matt, what's the first crime you ever committed?
2:54.0	Well, that's a difficult one.
2:56.0	It would actually probably have to go back a really long time into childhood. I think I stole some baseball cards when I was in first or second grade.
3:04.0	In first or second grade, so it goes all the way back then.
3:07.0	Yeah, that if I was being completely honest about it, yeah.
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