Episode #88: Russia Breaking Bad and the Future of the International Order
The Lawfare Podcast
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🗓️ 21 August 2014
⏱️ 93 minutes
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Summary
Earlier this week, the Brookings Institution hosted a panel on Russia’s place in the international order in the light of recent more aggressive turns in its foreign policy. As the crisis in Ukraine continues to evolve, the United States is seeking to isolate Russian President Vladimir Putin. But, what is his ultimate goal? Is Russia attempting to free itself of the Western dominated world order? Is this a new Cold War? And specifically, what are the potential consequences to the global economy, counter-terrorism efforts, and the non-proliferation regime? Thomas Wright, fellow with the Project on International Order and Strategy (IOS), moderated the conversation with Brookings President Strobe Talbott, Senior Fellow Clifford Gaddy of Brookings’ Center on the United States and Europe (CUSE) and Susan Glasser, editor at Politico Magazine.
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| 0:27.2 | and the aftermath. |
| 0:30.9 | The actions that Putin chose to send this message because that's what I think it was ultimately |
| 0:38.0 | in Ukraine have very possibly undermined completely any attempt for Russia to return to a kind |
| 0:45.7 | of international order in which Russia would be respected as having not an equal voice with |
| 0:51.9 | the United States because I don't think that's what he necessarily helps for, but a voice |
| 0:57.8 | along the lines of UN Security Council that there are certain areas where we really |
| 1:03.2 | have to be consulted. |
| 1:05.4 | This would be possible in a good Russia world, a world in which Russia actually was trusted |
| 1:13.0 | and behaved as correspondingly. |
| 1:14.6 | The question of course is these actions by Russia, by Putin, may have well have completely |
| 1:21.0 | ruled all of this out and then it's a very open question about what happens after that. |
| 1:26.4 | I'm Cody Poplin and this is the LawFair podcast, August 23rd, 2014. |
| 1:32.3 | That was senior fellow Clifford Gatti of the Brookings Center on the United States in |
| 1:36.0 | Europe. |
| 1:37.0 | Earlier this week, the Brookings Institution hosted a panel on Russia's place in the |
| 1:40.6 | international order in light of recent more aggressive turns in its foreign policy. |
| 1:45.9 | As the crisis in Ukraine continues to evolve, the United States is seeking to isolate Russian |
| 1:50.5 | President Vladimir Putin. |
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