Episode 875: Margaret Roberts on “Blowback”
Newt's World
Gingrich 360
4.7 • 6.3K Ratings
🗓️ 27 July 2025
⏱️ 38 minutes
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Summary
Newt talks with Margaret Roberts about her new book, “Blowback: The Untold Story of the FBI and the Oklahoma City Bombing.” Roberts who is the former news director of America's Most Wanted, reexamines the Oklahoma City bombing, challenging the lone wolf terrorism narrative with evidence suggesting a neo-Nazi plot and FBI involvement. Roberts reveals her investigative journey, including exclusive interviews with co-conspirator Terry Nichols, who alleges Timothy McVeigh was an undercover federal operative. Her book explores the FBI’s PATCON program, suggesting the bombing was a sting operation gone wrong. Roberts calls for transparency and the release of FBI documents to uncover the truth.
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| 0:00.0 | This is an I-Heart podcast. |
| 0:08.7 | On this episode of NUTS World, tragedy unfolded on April 19, 1995, when a massive bomb exploded in America's heartland, killing 168 people, including 15 children in their |
| 0:24.2 | daycare center. History says the Oklahoma City bombing was lone wolf terrorism. But fresh evidence |
| 0:31.7 | points instead to a neo-Nazi plot in which the FBI played a hidden role allowing suspects to walk free. |
| 0:40.3 | The FBI launched the biggest manhunt in its history for two suspected bombers |
| 0:44.7 | and quickly arrested Timothy McVeigh, a 26-year-old Gulf War Army veteran. |
| 0:52.1 | Yet they never captured the other suspect, known only as John Doe 2, |
| 0:57.1 | who rode next to McVeigh in the bomb truck. Soon, the FBI canceled the search, saying |
| 1:03.4 | eyewitnesses who saw John Doe 2 were mistaken. In her new book, Blowback, Margaret Robertsell re-re opens the mystery of John Doe 2 and chronicles her shocking discoveries, including journalism's only face-to-face prison interviews with McVeigh co-conspirator Terry Nichols. |
| 1:23.9 | Here to discuss her new book, I am really pleased to welcome my guest, Margaret Roberts. |
| 1:30.3 | She is the former news director of America's Most Wanted. |
| 1:34.3 | ... Margaret, welcome and thank you for joining me on Newts World. |
| 1:53.7 | Thank you, Mr. Speaker. |
| 1:55.4 | It is an honor to be here with you. |
| 1:58.2 | You were news director of America's Most Wanted, which was an amazingly successful |
| 2:03.9 | program. You are deeply familiar with the FBI and criminal investigations, but I want to start |
| 2:09.1 | with America's Most Wanted because it became such a popular show and in many ways an iconic show |
| 2:15.8 | that people really queued off of and paid attention to. |
| 2:19.8 | How did you get to America's Most Wanted? |
| 2:23.4 | Well, I was a print journalist, Mr. Speaker, in the very button-down world, which you know very |
| 2:31.3 | well of Washington, D.C. policy and politics. I was a top editor at |
| 2:38.3 | National Journal, and then I moved over to Congressional Quarterly. So it was a very different beat |
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