So really the theme of today's episode was was proving grounds and how how

These things are not thought up in a you know in a university somewhere and then you know randomly applied

Discreetly with no connection to the past on the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan or in Portland

These things are tested over time. I mean, I think that's one thing that that that Vincent's

Book Jakarta method really lays out really well is how a lot of this also came from Jakarta and how that had a direct connection to Chile too

and to Brazil and and

That's really what we want to stress is because this this spider network that we talk about is

Maybe a lot of these personalities are a thing in the past, but you live in the future that they created

Right and just because you've never seen cause Barbie walking down the street just because you've never been taken to colonial dig to dad

Doesn't mean that you don't live in a world that these men built

So I think I don't know to me to me. It's like I feel like people should act like that

But when you first started talking to me about coming on the show one of the things you asked me is if I'd ever read

I can't remember which Phil K. Dick book it was but something but Phil K. Dick and I

Would summarize what we said so far with a quote from a different Phil K. Dick book the Empire never ended

Empire never ended the Empire never

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