You are listening to the Aormo cast.

Listen, uh, what are you playing here?

We're doing the uh, the normal dome, whatever it is.

It's terrific.

Oh yeah, a big place, that's a big place. That's a big place.

You're so...

How's the state for the state?

What really should...

What the hell are you doing?

I couldn't sleep.

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And now back to the show. Hello and welcome to the enormous cast this is your host Chris Kaluus it is August 20th

about 330 p.m that's afternoon time and odd time to be doing this. This is episode 87 on today's show, my friend

Madeline Sorkin, and when I met Madeline years ago, I was comforted to know that the

Trad Dream was still alive, especially among women.

She was the young up-and-coming Trad Climber, and now that was quite a few years ago.

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