The world is heavy right now with the increased awareness of violence and injustice against black people that's been going on for over 400 years here in the United States. To the black people in our community, you are in my heart and prayers but most importantly, my actions.  As one of my favorite writers and teachers, Adrienne Maree Brown, said: "Things are not getting worse, they're getting uncovered." I also shared the following words from writer, producer, and performer Sarah Jones on Instagram the other day: Rather than sharing a new episode of The Kate & Mike Show as we’d originally planned this week, we’re talking about anti-racism, healing, and liberation. There’s no other conversation I can imagine having right now. This week I’m directing your attention to a conversation we had two years ago almost to the day with Rachel Cargle, activist, public academic, writer, and lecturer. If you’re new to anti-racism and liberation work, welcome. Listening to Rachel is a great place to start. If you’ve been actively engaged with this work for a long time now, I’m glad you’re here. This episode is for you, too. In this conversation about Unpacking White Feminism you’ll learn: What’s particularly important for white women to know when it comes to showing up for the movement toward racial healing and liberation Why it’s so important to take your anti-racism work offline into your real life relationships as soon as possible and as often as possible (and how to do that) Where capitalism started and how to navigate entrepreneurship in that context An incredibly important yet often overlooked consideration we need to make when we’re researching who to vote for How to find out if your child’s school is racist And so much more Please note that this conversation was recorded 2 years ago and while the salient points are just as relevant today, some of the details about Rachel and our lives have changed. If we were to have recorded this conversation today I would have asked things differently and not said certain things, but we’re sharing anyway because perfectionism and being afraid of messing up can be a bastion of white supremacy that can silence us and can perpetuate violence in some cases. Show notes and links for this episode can be found at http://www.katenorthrup.com/podcast.