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Welcome to Otherworld.

I'm your host Jack Wagner. This is them, part four. If you haven't heard the other episodes, you should go start from the beginning.

This episode is the first conversation I had with Solvai's mother.

It took place about a year ago, just a couple months after those initial conversations I have with Solvai, so still quite early on. I remember heading into this interview with a lot of questions in my head.

I was really unsure what I was about to hear and what she would be like. There were so many aspects of this story that

challenged how far my belief could go and then there were also some things that

made me actively suspicious. I mean let's be real here for a second we're sitting here talking about

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