Episode 835 | The Right Way to Use AI in Your Startup Marketing

Startups For the Rest of Us

Rob Walling

Entrepreneurship, Management, Business, Marketing

4.9 • 819 Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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Summary

Are you using AI in your marketing because it's actually good, or just because it's fast? In this episode, Rob Walling sits down with Taylor Hendricksen, a performance marketer who has managed tens of millions of dollars in ad spend across Meta and Google, to talk about where AI is genuinely useful and where it produces flat, mediocre output that makes you look like everyone else. They also dig into unconventional distribution channels, offer design, and why some of the best SaaS niches are the least exciting ones. Episode Sponsor: Your AI-generated code got you to V1. Now it's holding you back. Vibe coding is incredible for speed. But the codebase it leaves behind? Hidden security gaps, duct-tape architecture, features that break every time you ship. At a certain point you need professional engineering discipline, not more prompting. That’s where Designli's Engineering Intensive comes in. In two weeks, senior engineers audit your code, stress-test your infrastructure, surface vulnerabilities, and deliver a prioritized roadmap to get scale-ready. Total clarity on your product's health, with a money-back guarantee. Schedule your Engineering Intensive at designli.co/fortherestofus. Podcast listeners can also redeem a free Designli Impact Week. Topics we cover: (5:04) – AI as boogeyman: proving value to customers (6:59) – Human-first content vs. AI-generated content (9:38) – Why AI produces average work by default (13:05) – AI is the average of the internet (16:18) – Overcoming artificial growth ceilings (20:26) – Finding your avatar and positioning around real problems (22:52) – Unconventional distribution: direct mail and video mailers (25:52) – Crafting offers people feel stupid saying no to (28:42) – Using AI for ops, research, and thought partnership Links from the show: TinySeed SaaS Institute Rob Walling Email List The SaaS Playbook MicroConf | Community for Bootstrapped SaaS Founders Alex Hormozi YouTube Channel Incorruptible by Eric Ries Taylor Hendricksen | LinkedIn If you have questions about starting or scaling a software business that you'd like for us to cover, please submit your question for an upcoming episode. We'd love to hear from you! Subscribe & Review: iTunes | Spotify

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0:00.0	You're listening to Start Up to the Rest of Us.
0:01.8	I'm Rob Walling.
0:03.1	In this episode, I talk with Taylor Hendrickson.
0:06.5	He's been doing performance marketing online for well over a decade, including e-commerce, B-to-C, B-to-B,
0:16.8	and has bought tens of millions of dollars in ads over the years.
0:22.5	A lot of, he said it was both meta and Google when I asked him in the interview.
0:27.3	But I've known Taylor for about a decade, and he's just extremely knowledgeable
0:31.6	when it comes to copywriting and making incredible offers, general marketing, getting people interested in something
0:39.9	and actually paying for it. And Taylor is one of our coaches at SaaS Institute, SaaS Institute.com.
0:47.3	If you're doing at least one million in ARR and you're a SaaS company looking for a coach like Taylor.
0:56.7	Before we dive into our conversation,
1:02.4	I've been writing emails again, essays that I'm sending out to my email list.
1:06.1	I haven't blogged regularly since 2010, 2011,
1:09.8	and I started a few months ago writing my thoughts.
1:11.4	And these are new thoughts.
1:16.7	Some overlap lightly with the podcast, but a lot of them are new thoughts, frameworks,
1:18.4	etc. that I'm mulling over.
1:21.5	You can head to rob walling.com slash emails if you're interested.
1:24.5	And with that, you'll get a free sample chapter of the SaaS playbook. But realistically, the list is, you know, on my, on my site,
1:28.2	says, hey, you want some proven cheat codes for growing your SaaS in 2026, marketing channels that
1:32.5	actually work, building a sustainable moat, refining your pricing. That's the kind of stuff that I'm
1:37.9	talking about when I send these emails. It's one email a week, and it's an essay of my original
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