Episode 83: Philippa Perry
Spinning Plates with Sophie Ellis-Bextor
Kat Rulach
4.8 • 527 Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2023
⏱️ 75 minutes
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Summary
Philippa Perry is a psychotherapist, artist and writer who has a weekly agony aunt column in the Observer. She has written the only book on parenting that I feel speaks to me, and that I recommend to other people. It's called: 'The Book You Wish Your Parents Had Read (and Your Children Will be Glad That You Did)'. Her big messages are that talking to your children about feelings is key, and that all feelings are acceptable, so don't shut them down. I agreed with her when she said: how well you get on with people is more important than how well you do in your GCSEs.
I met up with Philippa (and her mischievous cat Kevin) in mid December at the beautiful Georgian house she shares with her husband, the recently knighted artist, Sir Grayson Perry. We sat in their living room with the fire going, and part way through the conversation she pointed out that the fireplace is a stucco art piece about fertility, made by Philippa herself, when she was trying to get pregnant. 31 years on their daughter Flo, also an artist, has recently illustrated Philippa's graphic novel 'Couch Fiction', about the world of psychotherapy.
Philippa shared how, as a child, her nanny had been her most signifiant other, but when she was sent to boarding school aged 4 she never saw her again, which deeply upset her. This experience impacted Philippa's style of parenting, and she didn't want any outside help, retraining as a psychotherapist when her daughter was 18 months old, and only working while her daughter was at school.
Today she divides her time between writing and art. She talked about how exciting it is to have, as Virginia Woolf described, a room of one's own, dedicated to creating art.
We talked about teaching children to communicate, and when we touched on the subject of sibling rivalry, Philippa got me to do some role-play with her. She showed me how getting the children to brainstorm, to solve a dispute, is so much better than a parent taking what they think is a short cut, and deciding how a quarrel should be resolved. I learned a lot. And at the end of our incredibly informative and helpful chat, I had a proposition for her: "How do you feel about moving into our house for a while...just for a few years...to observe and help us sort everything out...?! Kevin can come too!"
Spinning Plates is presented by Sophie Ellis-Bextor, produced by Claire Jones and post-production by Richard Jones
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| 0:00.0 | Hello, I'm Sophia Lusbexter and welcome to Spinning Plates, the podcast where I speak to |
| 0:09.6 | to busy working women who also happen to be mothers about how they make it work. |
| 0:14.1 | I'm a singer and I've released seven albums in between having my five sons aged 16 months to 16 years, |
| 0:20.2 | so I spin a few plates myself. |
| 0:22.1 | Being a mother can be the most amazing thing, |
| 0:24.6 | but can also be hard to find time for yourself and your own ambitions. |
| 0:28.1 | I want to be a bit nosy and see how other people balance everything. |
| 0:31.7 | Welcome to spinning plates. |
| 0:58.8 | Hi, how are you? How's everything in your world? I'm feeling pretty good today. I just overcame a very personal thing, but basically about 10 years ago, I was asked if I would like to donate blood, but as part of a press drive to get more people donating blood. And I'd always thought, oh yeah, I should do that |
| 1:04.5 | at some point. So I said, yeah, absolutely count me in. And I turned up, and I think my appointment |
| 1:08.7 | was at about 11, and there was a little bit of faffing about with the paperwork. |
| 1:12.6 | And so by the time I actually gave blood, it was closer to 2pm. |
| 1:17.6 | And I haven't eaten since breakfast. |
| 1:19.6 | And this is significant, I think, because after I did my donation, I then went and sat down. |
| 1:26.6 | So after you donate blood, I'm sure if you do it, |
| 1:29.4 | you'll know all this, obviously. You get a little biscuit and some sugary squash to kind of get |
| 1:34.3 | your blood sugar levels up, but also rehydrate you. Anyway, I drank that, but as I was drinking, |
| 1:38.2 | I started to feel incredibly faint, and then I realized I was going to pass out. And I passed out |
| 1:42.8 | in that really heavy, complete way, |
| 1:46.3 | like in the movies where people wake up and they're like, where am I? I was literally like that. |
| 1:50.3 | I was out gone. And actually, it was really traumatic because when I came around, obviously, |
| 1:55.8 | I was in an NHS centre. So I came around to see all these people peering over me and I could |
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