Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to episode 8 of the Reform

Pubcast. The true story of two best buds picked to host a podcast, have some drinks together, and have their

conversations taped to find out what happens when reformers stop being polite and start

getting real.

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I'm Les hashtag Santa's a fake. I'm Tanner hashtag don't

call me baby doll. So a few years ago when my son was just learning how to talk we were walking around Home Depot and he saw like an inflatable Santa Claus and he was like daddy what is that and I was like, daddy, what is that? And I was like, that son is a fictitious character.

And the rest is history.

I had to, I've sort of had a, my wife and I had to figure out if we were going to do Santa Claus and I was always very much against it and

So that's always been a fun conversation, but we're now to the point where we definitely are happy that we don't do

Santa Claus.

Do you guys, you guys don't do Santa Claus?

I was always kind of on the fence about it anyways, but after talking to you, this was

before I had kids. I was 100% on board with not doing Santa Claus and it's pretty

up like I've literally I thought I was there's every year at work I feel like that I'm going to get beat up in the parking lot for not doing Santa Claus. People are very passionate about the claws and they think that you're trying to ruin your children's life if you don't do it.

And I don't know.

Like, I mean, you had described your reasons for not doing it.

What was your, there was like a big reason you had well I think the

biggest reason is that it's a lie I mean you know without trying to be come down

too hard on people that that do it I'm not you know I'm not I don't have a huge problem with people doing it it's my conviction I guess

but you know you're telling your kids something that's not true and you're also telling

them something fantastical about a man they'll never see doing things and

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