Well, hello. We are back again with another episode of Scientology Fair Game. We're joined by Mike Rinder.

Hi, Leah. It's great to be back again and it's wonderful to welcome, I guess, this week.

Yes. Who is someone that I have known since... Oh, I don't know, 1973 or 1974? Something like that.

Oh, this is going to feel so good to say this. Sorry. I was for... Go ahead.

I wasn't...

Karen Delicarrier, who has been a very, very good friend to me, someone who has stood by me

and you, Leah, since she has left the church. Yes. But prior to leaving, she was a... what's known

as a class 12 auditor. And what do you say? She attained the highest level of training and expertise

in the subject of Scientology that is possible under the direction of the man himself, Elrhan Hubbard.

And very, very few people in the world can claim the status that she had in Scientology. And on top

of that, she was also married to Heba Gent, who, as we all know, was the former president of the

Church of Scientology International, who disappeared and has been held at the Golden Arrow Productions

property as we talked to Tammy Clark about. Right.

Karen has a lot of information about Scientology, but also she has personal experiences that she has

been the target of fair game. Thank you, Michael. Real pleasure. Can I just throw in one thing?

You know the phrase imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Yes. Well, due to Micrinda, Leah, Ramonese, unprecedented success in this podcast, Scientology is

looking at doing podcasts and you retony on tape is blocked. Yes, my interpretation is the

sincerest form of flattery. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, listen, and we could be accused of that.

You've been doing wonderful work on your own channel if you want to talk about that as well as

your partner, Jeffrey, who has a wonderful website called the Scientology Money Project,

which is amazing, but you guys also do videos, which your videos are really for the purpose.

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