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Us, the podcast that tells the truth about parenting and talks about all the stuff you wish you knew before having kids.

I'm your host, Rachel, and today I'm speaking with Alyssa Strauss.

Alyssa has been writing about the politics and culture of parenting and caregiving for more than 15 years.

Her work appears in publications like The Atlantic, The New York Times, Glamour, Elle, and elsewhere,

and she was a former contributing writer at CNN.com and Slate.

Her new book, When You Care, The Unexpected Magic of Caring for Others, is out now, and she's

also a mom of two. So I'm really excited to have this conversation. This is something that I am just

endlessly fascinated

about the culture and the societal expectations that are placed on mothers. So I'm so happy that you

wrote this book and I'm so so honored to have you here today. Thanks for joining and welcome to the

podcast. Thank you so much. That was such a lovely introduction and I'm really excited to be here.

So I actually first discovered you on Substack. I just like devoured a bunch of your pieces and then

learned about your book on there. What kind of got you first interested in writing about this topic

of caregiving and what inspired the book? So it kind of came from two epiphanies that seemed separate, but in the end,

we're very connected. So for a long time, I was really on the, why don't we support parents beat.

I just felt like I was writing article after article of why don't we have paid leave? Why don't we

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