M-S-W media.

So Renato, will Trump go to jail now?

Eh, it's complicated. I'm Renato Mariati.

I'm a former federal prosecutor, a practicing lawyer and a legal analyst.

And I'm Asherangappa.

I teach national security Rengupa.

I teach national security law at Yale University.

I'm a former FBI Special Agent and I'm a legal contributor for ABC News.

And we're here to help you understand topics that can't be boiled down into a

sound bite or a tweet. I know right? Well we we did our last I would say I I don't know I was in Trump by this little buzz

Podcast on Wednesday night the night before the verdict

right I think we kind of, we were untra-

We kind of nailed it, I think.

What do you think?

Yeah, I think so.

I mean, I think we definitely laid out, you know, how the jury would be thinking about it by the way where were you when the

verdict came out? I was at a

at a crypto conference in Texas in Austin and I had,

I was at a crypto conference in Texas in Austin

and I had, I, I was starting to get taxed from all these TV folks and I reached out because the New York Times I had written a piece which I previewed in our last podcast. I'm like I wrote this piece

right after closing arguments and I'll give you a preview of what I'm going to say and I

was going back forth with the editor and I'm like you should get this thing ready to release because we wrote I wrote it essentially assuming that he was convicted which I thought was very likely.

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