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So, Lasha, what exactly does the jury need to find in order to determine that Donald Trump is

guilty of a felony in this case.

Eh, it's complicated.

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So Ren not. We are, so for anyone who's listening, we are taping this podcast, as the jury is deliberating, the

closing arguments concluded, and we're basically waiting for them to come back and all day there's been all kinds of speculation and disinformation and

about what's going on. Yeah, I mean I've had a few drinks.

We've been waiting for this verdict.

The Asha is striking wine for the first time I've had more drinks than you,

Asha. But we've been having

had to drinks waiting for something to happen. No for jury verdict today.

I will tell you, Asha, I am not surprised at all.

And, you know, typically, I would say, you know, trial lawyer or shorthand,

usually expect that the jury is going to take one hour to deliberate per full day of testimony.

And there was a lot of days of testimony, right?

This was like a several, like five-week trial.

What was it? something like that?

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