Episode #78: A Debate on the Future of U.S. Surveillance Authorities.
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 6 June 2014
⏱️ 95 minutes
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Summary
On June 5, the anniversary of the first Snowden disclosures, Governance Studies at Brookings held a debate on the future of U.S. intelligence collection authorities. The resolution was “U.S. surveillance authorities require fundamental reform.” Arguing in favor were Jameel Jaffer of the ACLU and Julian Sanchez of the CATO Institute. Arguing in opposition were John “Chris” Inglis, former NSA deputy director, and Carrie Cordero, director of national security studies at Georgetown Law. Brookings Senior Fellow Benjamin Wittes moderated the event.
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| 0:29.0 | If we absolutely must have a nigh omniscient planet spanning an electronic panopticon, |
| 0:40.0 | then Chris Engliss is a sort of person whose hands I want on the lever. |
| 0:43.0 | But I don't think that's the right way to think about whether we want to have such a system. |
| 0:49.0 | I would say that NSA personnel have two searing memories. |
| 0:53.0 | The first is a never again mandate that was given to us, |
| 0:56.0 | not first on 9-1-1, but after World War II. |
| 0:59.0 | That was when all these institutions were created. |
| 1:01.0 | That searing memory was reinforced in 9-1-1, |
| 1:04.0 | but the second searing memory and a very important and equally important searing memory |
| 1:08.0 | is the memory of the Church Pike Commission in the late 1960s. |
| 1:12.0 | Chris, you used the phrase, not likely, but possible. |
| 1:17.0 | And I think that's probably a fair description of a lot of the abuses that I at least laid out. |
| 1:23.0 | I mean, they're not likely to have them, but it's possible that they'll happen. |
| 1:26.0 | And over a sufficient amount of time, it becomes more and more possible and you approach certainty. |
| 1:32.0 | There have been proposals to add institutional advocates and sort of in other side to the FISA court proceedings. |
| 1:37.0 | The former presiding judge of the FISA court himself has said that those proposals |
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