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Stephen Kingcast

Episode 77-The Spider and the Turtle (A Dark Tower Bonus Episode)

Stephen Kingcast

Constant Reader

Tv & Film, Arts, Arts:books, Books

4.7680 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Welcome back, everyone! I hope you enjoy this special bonus episode in which I analyze the relationship between the events of It with The Dark Tower! As always, write in at stephenkingcast@yahoo.com Follow me on Instagram, Tik Tok, Facebook and Bluesky. Stay organized and up to date with all things Stephen King at stephenkingcast.com Stay up to date with early access to episodes, news analysis, bonus episodes and pop cultural reviews at patreon.com/stephenkingcast

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0:00.0

Hello everyone and welcome to the Stephen King cast one man's musings on the works of Stephen King.

0:04.7

Each week I'll review one entry in the bibliography of Stephen King in the chronological order of publication.

0:09.7

And if you've been listening over the last three weeks, then you'll know that I have been diving in deep into the world of Derry, Maine, the setting for Stephen King's novel It.

0:19.5

And what this episode is, it is an examination of any connections that this novel might have

0:25.5

to Stephen King's magnum opus, the Dark Tower series.

0:29.1

Now, before King finished the Dark Tower series, there was a lot of speculation that he would

0:34.0

fold in the world of it into midworld.

0:37.6

And while Roland his Khatet never traveled through Derry

0:40.8

and countered any of the losers,

0:42.8

there are definite connections that need to be explored,

0:45.8

the first of which is the turtle.

0:47.8

This is clearly the biggest connection between the two texts.

0:51.8

As Dark Tower fans know,

0:53.8

the turtle is actually named Maturin,

0:56.4

one of the Guardians of the Beam. And so actually, I should have said this in the beginning.

1:02.5

If you have not finished the Dark Tower series, you should not be listening to this bonus episode

1:07.6

because the Dark Tower series is an experience that I don't want to ruin for anyone.

1:13.8

So go out, read the entire series, then you can come back to this bonus episode.

1:17.4

But if you are going to listen and you haven't read the Dark Tower series,

1:20.5

please know that there are spoilers that lie ahead.

1:23.8

So the tower is the linchpin of reality and from the top shoot 12 beams that hold up all of existence.

1:32.6

Okay.

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