Episode 77: Jefferson Hawkins

Fair Game

Leah Remini & Mike Rinder

True Crime, Society & Culture

4.8 • 9.7K Ratings

🗓️ 15 February 2022

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Leah and Mike are joined by Jeff Hawkins, an extremely talented, thoughtful and articulate former Sea Org member to recount his experiences with David Miscavige, his role in making Dianetics a bestseller again the 80's and his journey into and out of scientology.

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0:00.0	Hello and welcome to another episode of Scientology's Fair Game. Hello Mikey. Hello Lili.
0:12.8	People are calling me that now. It's so cute. I know. I know. I started a trend. I'm not saying that.
0:21.8	That's amazing. I have a social influencer. Look at you Mikey. Wow. Wow. Alright. You want to introduce
0:30.6	air special guest? Yes I do. This is someone whom I have known for many decades and is one of the
0:42.6	nicest, smartest, kindest people that I ever had the pleasure of dealing with in the sea or
0:48.5	dog. He is the author of a wonderful book about his experiences in Scientology in the sea
0:56.4	or called Caldefit Dreams. Hi there Jeff Hawkins. It's wonderful to have you with us today.
1:02.2	Hey Mike. Great to be here. So Jeff, let's go over just briefly Mike. If you want to go over
1:10.2	Jeff's history or Jeff could do it himself. I think the yeah. And you guys were in the sea
1:17.1	organization together up at Goldbase. Yes. Yes. Yes. For many many many years. And Jeff and I
1:25.8	worked together for various reasons on different things. He was always in marketing. I was either in
1:33.0	PR or OSA and the two sort of frost over quite a lot. So Jeff and I worked together like on many
1:41.7	different very things. But let's let's as you said, Leah, let's start with Jeff's history because
1:48.6	apart from Hannah Whitfield who we talked to on the blog a couple of times I think, Jeff is
1:57.1	probably the longest time Scientologist and CEO member that we have had on the show. Oh wow.
2:04.7	Well, maybe Janice. Anyway, he's been around one of a handful. Right? Yes. Very a very limited
2:13.8	handful. And if you can just give us a brief history Jeff. So the people out there know who you are
2:21.9	and the authority from which you speak. All right. Well, I was I got into Scientology in
2:31.4	1967 in Los Angeles. Then I decided to join staff at the publications org which was at St.
2:46.6	Hill at the time. So I went to England. Got to St. Hill. They said that the pubs org had moved to
2:52.9	Edinburgh. So I went to Edinburgh, joined the pubs org. And then we we had to get out of Edinburgh
2:59.9	because there was a fear that they were going to seize the book stocks. So we moved to Copenhagen.
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