From the creators of Relevant Magazine, this is the Relevant Podcast.

It's Tuesday, December 10, 2019. You're listening to the Relevant Podcast.

I'm your host, Tyler Huckabee, the Santa to this sleigh here coming at you from Nashville, Tennessee.

Down there in Orlando, Florida, my chief, Chris, myself, in charge of the workshop,

making sure all the toys go out to the nice kids. It's my friend, Chandler String.

Hello.

Out there in, well out there kind of, I guess you're out in Palm Springs today on assignment.

That's right. And so it is, is, is, is, is, is chief reindeer making sure to keep, keep in the,

keep in the sleigh going around the world. It is Jesse Gary. I prefer all three magi rolled into one.

That all three wise men. That's what I'm bringing today. Just wisdom. Just wisdom.

So I reject your reindeer label. And I guess, John Mark, I don't really know your Christmas

designation, but I'm getting kind of a crampus vibe so far. If I was going to get our Christmas

crampus today, we're always going to have our friend John Mark Mcmillan on the podcast. Hey, John Mark.

Hello. It's always good to be with you guys, no matter when, where, or how. John Mark, I don't know,

how familiar are you with the story of crampus, John Mark? I am only mildly familiar with crampus.

Okay. Well, that does throw a wrench into my theory a little bit, but, but I am

might as saying he's sort of a Christmas monster who like punishes the naughty kids, right? Doesn't he

eat them or something? I think so. I think he has very violent retribution for basic naughtyness.

Right. Oh, did you tell a fib to your teacher? All right. Not only you're not getting Christmas

presents, you're not getting a lump of cool. You're being eaten by a horrific monster from

the night. I think American Christmas mythology, like American folklore is pretty, like you get

a lump of cool, a lump of cool on your stocking, but in some of those like Nordic countries,

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